GT 1535 vs 3555 --- More Help Please!!!

[Archer Dave]

Hey guys. Just had a few questions about the new 3555 GT Trads I received in the mail today.

I was going to do as I have seen and shoot one arrow bareshaft to see what length I need to cut the arrow to get to the right spine.

The arrow is 32" and I had a 125gr FP on the end. Total weight was 429 gr. When I shot it at a distance of about 10 yards I was getting good grouping where I was aiming, but the shaft was nock to the right quite a bit showing heavy spine.

I made a brass screw to insert from the back of the insert which weighs 71 gr to increase total weight to 500gr. Checked the FOC and it is about 19.5%. The arrow now flies pretty straight showing spine is pretty close with the extra weight up front.

So here Is my question. I would like the shaft closer to 30", but if I remove 2" wont that make me way over spined again? Technically that would put me around 483gr by removing 8.6gpi x 2".

I would rather not have a 32 inch arrow, but I am afraid that if I lop off the 2 inches that I am going to be overspined or have to go to a really heavy insert.

What do you guys think I should do? Can I make these work without going supper heavy for my 45# Grizzly? Should I have bought the 1535's?

Thanks a lot,
Dave

[Archer Dave]

I might have screwed the pooch. The consensus was about 50/50 split on which shafts to get, so I went with the 3555's but maybe that was a mistake.

[TxRuckus]

X2 on the field point test kit shed.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Yup.... i think for the weight you want at 30" you will do better with the 1535's... cutting those carbon shafts stiffen them up a lot...

let me know if you want to sell the 3555's i'm building a 3D rig using Trad XL in 3555... are yours the XL model? Im not interested in the blems.

[BigJim]

Don't cut them. best to leave the long. It won't hurt a think...or replace them with 1535's.

A lot of guys shoot the 3555's out of light bows and have been making them work for a long time because there was nothing weaker up until a few years ago. I would wager that many, many guys shooting the 3555's would do better with the 1535's.

We sell individual arrows if you wan't to give it a try...can pick up a field point test kit too.
Not only do we sell the Blem gold tips, but if you feel the need, we sell the non blemishes also. I'm sure you will find the blems to be outstanding.
Thanks, bigjim

[motorhead7963]

I think he is too light up front he already has been shooting 35/55s and said they shoot pretty good. Dave: add a little weight up front and see what you get.

[BigJim]

Yes, but he wants to cut them. That can't be corrected with a little weight.

BigJim

[inthere10x]

Shooting bows in the 43 to 50 lb range and I draw 28". I switched to Beman Centershot 600 @ 29.75" long, 75 grain inserts, 145 field points or Gold Tip Trad 15/35 @ 29.75" long, standard insert and 200 field point. Both set-up are about 460grains and 19% FOC.

[the rifleman]

Good advice from Big Jim---he knows arrows and I totally agree you will find the Blems to be great arrows at an awesome price.  If you're not happy with the 3555s sell them to KirkII above and get in touch with Big Jim and get a dozen 1535 blems.  I foot mine w 2117s---1 inch up front and 3/8" at nock and they are just shy of bulletproof.  Do not even think about cutting te 1535s until you spend some time developing form---fletch up 2 arrows and shoot 2 arrows, pull them, repeat---shooting bunches of arrows at a time is fun, but it is difficult to focus on form, aiming, etc. Shoot quality arrows.  After you develop form down the road---could be months (in my case years)---Then you will get better, more reliable results from bareshafting and will be able to determine the length your arrows will need to be to tune well.  A 1/4" cut from a carbon does make a lot of difference.

[Archer Dave]

Thanks everyone. The place I ordered these shafts from said they would swap them out for 1535's if I wanted to, all I would have to do is pay shipping, which is only $5.

I would really like to have a shorter arrow, 29.5" to 30.5" would be preferred.

What approximate weight range could I get with the 1535 Trads? It would be nice to stay in the 9-10 gpp range for my 45# Grizzly.

That was my biggest concern with these 3555 Trads that I currently have is that they are longer then I want at 32", that I already had the total weight up to 500gr without any fletching, and they were still flying with the nock a little to the right. I would rather not have to go even heavier to use these.

What do you guys think? Should I send the 3555's back and exchange them for the 1535's? Would the 1535's work in the 380-470gr range at this length?

Thanks a lot,
Dave

[Bud B.]

My 30.5" 1535s with factory insert/nock and 145gr points weigh 450gr each. They have three 5" shield feathers. They shoot very well out of my 45# Grizzly.

[Archer Dave]

Originally posted by Bud B.:
My 30.5" 1535s with factory insert/nock and 145gr points weigh 450gr each. They have three 5" shield feathers. They shoot very well out of my 45# Grizzly.

Thanks, that is the kind of info I need.

[randy grider]

I would go with the 35/55's, left full length,add a 100 grain insert, then a 125 grain point, or whatever weight you're preffered broadhead will be. This will be point heavy, but there is only benefit in that. This will give you a around 450 grain arrow, which will be the ideal 10 gr per # of bow weight , which gives best penetration, and a quiet bow. I never understood peoples aversion to heavy point weight, for me it has always gave the best arrow flight and performance.

[Longbow58]

Not real good at this and have been following along but  I have a question. I seen rifleman mention form...get that one. But does string material, nock fit or anything else come into play? Just curious because I know I am a bit over spined and about to change things slightly. Thanks guys.

[Bud B.]

Originally posted by Archer Dave:
 

Originally posted by Bud B.:
My 30.5" 1535s with factory insert/nock and 145gr points weigh 450gr each. They have three 5" shield feathers. They shoot very well out of my 45# Grizzly.

Thanks, that is the kind of info I need. [/b]

Dave,

After reading Randy's post I went back to re-weigh the 1535. 450gr. I remove the GT trad markings on some of my crested shafts, I thought the one I weighed was a 1535. It was a 3555 verified via my spine tester. I reweighed a marked 30.5" 1535 with a 145gr head. It is 420gr. That's still 9.33gpp.

I shoot the 1535s from my 45# Grizzly and have no issues whatsoever. I shoot 3555s from my 50# Super Grizzly and have to have 175gr up front on a 30.5" arrow. To get the 3555s to tune, youll need an arrow with enough weight up front to give you a 550-600gr arrow. A 600gr arrow will be 13.33 gpp. That's extreme FOC and a rainbow of an arc. I believe you'll be more accurate with a 1535. If you want higher foc, cut the 1535s down to 30 and add a point up to around 175-200. When you go to cutting down carbons, a little cut of the shaft equates to alot more point weight needed to bring it back to proper tune.  

My apologies for the weight error.

[Archer Dave]

Originally posted by randy grider:
I would go with the 35/55's, left full length,add a 100 grain insert, then a 125 grain point, or whatever weight you're preffered broadhead will be. This will be point heavy, but there is only benefit in that. This will give you a around 450 grain arrow, which will be the ideal 10 gr per # of bow weight , which gives best penetration, and a quiet bow. I never understood peoples aversion to heavy point weight, for me it has always gave the best arrow flight and performance.

Thanks for the reply. How are you getting to 450gr with this setup? I had a full length 3555, with 125 gr FP, a 71 gr weight added to the factory insert and got up to 501gr without fletching.

I think if you put in a 100gr insert you would be closer to 530gr, not 450gr.

[Archer Dave]

Originally posted by Bud B.:

After reading Randy's post I went back to re-weigh the 1535. 450gr. I remove the GT trad markings on some of my crested shafts, I thought the one I weighed was a 1535. It was a 3555 verified via my spine tester. I reweighed a marked 30.5" 1535 with a 145gr head. It is 420gr. That's still 9.33gpp.

I shoot the 1535s from my 45# Grizzly and have no issues whatsoever. I shoot 3555s from my 50# Super Grizzly and have to have 175gr up front on a 30.5" arrow. To get the 3555s to tune, youll need an arrow with enough weight up front to give you a 550-600gr arrow. A 600gr arrow will be 13.33 gpp. That's extreme FOC and a rainbow of an arc. I believe you'll be more accurate with a 1535. If you want higher foc, cut the 1535s down to 30 and add a point up to around 175-200. When you go to cutting down carbons, a little cut of the shaft equates to alot more point weight needed to bring it back to proper tune.  

My apologies for the weight error.

Thanks Bud. That was my thinking about the weight. to get the 3555's to fly right at my preferred length, I would need to have at least a 600gr arrow, which seems like much too heavy for my 45# bow. Perhaps I would get good penetration while hunting, but I would need to be awfully close to get a decent shot.

Besides 99 percent of my shooting will be roving, stumping, target, aerial, and only a few shots will be made while hunting each year. So basically I Would like to have a flatter shooting and accurate set up that can be used for target and small game hunting mostly. Then I also want to take a deer each year, but the deer will be a very small percentage of my shooting with this bow.

I think I might send the 3555's back and get the 1535's. I think these might be more suited for what I am wanting to do. I just hope that I wont be underspinded.

Thanks a lot for your insight.

Dave

[Bud B.]

If you find they are, get with me. I can always use 1535s  

[Archer Dave]

I just got off the phone with the owner of the store where I ordered these shafts to see his opinion and whether I should send them back for the 1535's, and guess what.

He is going to send me the 1535 Trads to try out and then said to just return which ever ones I don't want back to him. He did not even charge me for the 1535's.

That is some crazy service right there. I wish I could mention the company name but I think that might be against forum regs. This is a great guy to deal with, hooray for doing local business in MN.

Should have the shafts later this week, at which time I will let you guys know what I decide to keep.

Dave

[RC]

My homemade r/d is 45@27. I have shot 35/55s out of it a while and had to bog it down with point weight. I bought a dozen 15/35`s from Big Jim. they are 29" and I shoot 325 up front. The arrow flight is perfect. Don`t know what they weight but they put a grizzly near end to end on a fine sow last week. RC