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Online Pine

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Weight forward arrows
« on: March 10, 2015, 05:03:00 PM »
Does a higher weight forward make a more forgiving spine ?
What I am asking is have you noticed with heavy heads like 200gr. Can you get away with a little out of perfect spine by let's say 10# ?
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Re: Weight forward arrows
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2015, 05:12:00 PM »
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"Can you get away with a little out of perfect spine by let's say 10# ?"

It enables you to shoot a heavier spine arrow, not necessarily "more forgiving" all the way around.
 
In other words, if you had a shaft that was 10# lighter in deflection (spine) than you should have and you front loaded w/200 grains, you would be further from where you want to be, than say just putting 125 grains up front.

If you have stiff spine arrows per your bow weight, front load them until you have reduced the dynamic spine to match your bow weight.  

Bare shaft tuning or paper tuning can help identify appropriate spine and hence, good arrow flight.

Hope this helps -

Kris

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Re: Weight forward arrows
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2015, 05:26:00 PM »
I was just wondering because they appear to look like they stabilize quicker .
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Re: Weight forward arrows
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2015, 05:41:00 PM »
Then they likely do for you out of your bow...there is no one size fits all.  You didn't really provide any detail to predict it one way or the other.  FoC & EFoC arrows are shown to recover faster...all else being equal.

If it works for you...perfect!  I shoot high FoC...I wouldn't have it any other way.

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Re: Weight forward arrows
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2015, 07:21:00 PM »
What Kris said
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Re: Weight forward arrows
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2015, 08:11:00 PM »
From what I believe is you shoot a heavier spine so you have to shoot a heavier point to get the arrow to shoot straight.

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Re: Weight forward arrows
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2015, 09:53:00 PM »
Following Ashby's words, if I recollect, the quicker stabilization is not unknown.
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Re: Weight forward arrows
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2015, 10:06:00 PM »
Depending on how the arrow is built and the manner in which the FOC is created, a high FOC arrow has a much wider spine window than a low FOC  arrow. Unless you end up on either extreme end of said spine window, the "forgiveness" of a high FOC is significant.  

For example, when I bareshaft my 32-35% FOC broadhead tipped arrows, even though the shaft may kick left showing weak.....the arrow still hits the spot straight on.
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Re: Weight forward arrows
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2015, 02:27:00 PM »
Sapcut , that's kinda what I was thinking and noticing .
I have not shot heavy FOC arrows much , I have shied away from them because of cross wind problems . The high FOCs will fly sideways in a strong cross wind and a low FOC will stay straighter but drift .
But there is always a price to pay . But I am thinking the high FOC might have more advantages .
Both sides of this subject have good points .
And for me this is the best time of the yeah to experiment with it .
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Re: Weight forward arrows
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2015, 06:07:00 PM »
The high FOC may kick one way or the other with a decent cross wind but then correct itself and stay on course.  That is lots better than a low FOC arrow that moves off course totally missing the target.  

IMO, there is no comparison between the benefits of the two. A tuned extremely high FOC arrow will forever be my only option.
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Re: Weight forward arrows
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2015, 09:47:00 PM »
If you click on my signature and go to my podcast site then click videos.
I have 2 videos on high efoc flight. One is in a 30 plus mph cross wind at 25 yards. Other video is bar shaft shooting a high efoc shaft with a huge broadheads at 22 yards.
I shoot a 30 efoc arrow and will never shoot anything less. Only compaint is I spent all these years not shooting a 30% efoc arrow.

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Re: Weight forward arrows
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2015, 08:00:00 AM »
read Ed Ashby's reports on heavy arrows and FOC. it is like LB hntr says memorize the arc.
Thank you

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