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Author Topic: Best wood arrow sealer?  (Read 585 times)

Offline Mud_Slide_Slim

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2015, 07:13:00 AM »
LBR...could you elaborate a bit on the product you use and technique?  Never considered epoxy.  Sounds like a good idea.

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Offline LBR

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2015, 02:15:00 PM »
Here is the recipe.  My buddy Tom K. adapted the Jay Massey bow finish to arrows.

1) First thing I do is stain shafts (I usually use aniline dyes from Gray Ghost Archery).  I only stain up to where the stain and crown meet.

2) After stain dries, sand off any raised grain, then stain again if necessary to achieve desired color.

3) If I don't have any epoxy formula made up, I use the following procedure for that.
 
   *I purchase Devcon 2-ton epoxy and a can of acetone from Wal-Mart in the paint section.  I use a 4 ounce baby food jar to squirt the entire contents of epoxy into.  I then completely mix the 2 epoxy parts until clear.  I then add 1 ounce of acetone (1/2 jar) and stir until the epoxy appears to have dissolved and looks only like acetone remains.  I then fill the jar with acetone and stir again for a few seconds.*
 
4) Applied one coat of epoxy as described next.
 
   *Always wear chemical resistant gloves, I use the blue Nitrate cloves that the tools trucks (Snap-On, Mac) sell to local automotive and
   diesel garage mechanics.  I use small cotton rags from t-shirts. Hold arrow at nock or point end, make one long continuous swipe  from end to end.  Then rotate shaft 180 degrees and do again. (Do not attempt to double wipe on same side, the rag will stick to the first coat).*

5) After epoxy dries, check for raised grain.  Sand if needed.

6) Apply second coat of epoxy.

7) I then spray the crowns on, (I usually use Krylon enamels, and usually 2 coats are needed).

8) After crown dries, apply cresting lines (Testors and Odds-n-Ends).

9) After crown and cresting are COMPLETELY dry, spray or brush the crown and crestings with a thin coat of Min Wax Water Based    Polyacyrlic (blue can).  I prefer to brush mine on.

10) After poly dries, apply second coat only if spraying on poly.  Brushing usually only requires one coat.

11) After letting poly dry an hour, apply first coat of epoxy over entire shaft.  Make sure to check wiping rag for paint residue after first arrow to insure that acetone is not attacking cresting and crown. If paint is being attacked, crest the arrow if needed, and give another coat of poly over all arrows.
   
12) If all is ok, I will usually put on 4 to 6 coats of epoxy, make sure to smooth out finish very lightly with 0000 steel wool between all coats (do not steel wool last coat unless you prefer a satin finish).

13) I then set nocks using Duco cement, and mount feathers with either Bohning Fletch Tape or regular super glue (not the gel stuff). I prefer the tape.  This makes for easy feather repair if needed.

Offline Matty

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2015, 03:15:00 PM »
Anyone here familiar with or ever try a product called PENOFIN? I'm intrigued by it as its sold locally.

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2015, 03:17:00 PM »
LBR...thanks for taking the time to explain your recipe and technique.  Those must be some durable arrows!  Will definitely give it a try...I have 2 dozen shafts coming from Surewood in a few days.  This sounds promising.

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2015, 03:47:00 PM »
Minwax stain, 3-5 coats wipe on poly with steel wool between coats, crown with Rustoleum in rattle can if you desire.  Throw on another coat of poly if you decided to crown.  Nock with Duco, feathers with fletchtape with duco on the ends.  On hot days like we've been havin I can easily do three coats of poly in a day.

Offline LBR

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2015, 05:34:00 PM »
No problem Slim.  I actually have it saved as a document on my computer-the directions are straight from Tom.

We've lost arrows that slid up under the grass to be found after the feathers were totally gone and the point rusted off.  The shaft was fine--re-fletch and put a new point on and shoot it.

Offline BowZen

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2015, 11:32:00 AM »
I use something simple as described by Biatholonman. Take surewood shafts and steel wool them. Stain 2x with minwax stain. Then minwax wipe on poly 4-5 coats with steel wool after each coat. I used boning fletch tape and fletchtite on ends of feather. So far no issues. Arrows have been going strong for months now.

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2015, 12:03:00 PM »
My mistake. I just checked. I used Duco cement for the end of the feathers not fletchtite.  Nock and point with Duco as well.

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2015, 11:50:00 PM »
LBR, will the epoxy stay liquid in the jar mixed with the acetone, or do you need to mix up a new batch of finish for each coat?

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2015, 10:54:00 AM »
It stays liquid for a good while.  How long, I'm not sure.  I only mix one batch at a time.  I figure you could add a little acetone along the way and keep it liquid longer.

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2015, 12:28:00 PM »
2 coats of Zarr satin polyurethane exterior will make your arrows look and feel like glass, very tough and will last forever . Stir don't shake the can, let stand until all bubbles are gone, dip let stand overnight between coats, use Duco glue .

Offline AkDan

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2015, 05:01:00 AM »
epoxy,

nothing..

nothing!

NOTHING!!!  comes close to it!

if you're at denton the fella who really pushed this method of sealing shafts will be there!

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2015, 05:04:00 AM »
Dalys profin is NOT resistant to target burn!  Not even close!  Though it doesn't burn as bad as say waterbase!  It burns.  In foam like a block its not bad at all.   in harder targets is where you'll start to see what does or does not burn.  Fiberboard will really show you what burns and what doesn't.  

I do use dalys and have for the last 15 or so years now.   I really like it.   Its simple, though slow to dry.   Needs to be shaken regularly or the drying agents seem to settle out.  You'll know it when it happens to you!

Offline AkDan

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2015, 05:08:00 AM »
All Gasket lacquer from Egyptian lacquer (giving up trade info here) will crack!  It is NOT waterproof!  

I passed this info to Troy years back, along with the source as it was passed onto me buy another arrow builder.  

The Iowa 'boys' were using a different brand of 'gasket lacquer'.   I never did figure out who that was.

The folks at Egyptian were willing to work out a more waterproof recipe.   I ended up giving up the arrow business.  It was fun but took the fun out of my hobby.   You could buy it cheap in 5 gallon cans or 55 gallon drums.   They could never get the 5 gallon can here on time so I never paid the shipping or hazmat chargers!  Thanks you fedex!

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Re: Best wood arrow sealer?
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2015, 05:12:00 AM »
Chad (lbr) Toms on his way up here Thursday..it only took 17 years to get him to come...and I had 0 to do with it! LOL  His old man is dragging him up.   Looks like I have a few days of guiding ahead  ;)

Hey you said glue, what were you using on epoxy?  Tom was using tape.   Hows the super glue hold up compared to Toms tape?

I had tape issues...learned fletch tape is not compatible with all finishes.  Screwed up and didn't catch it out east chasing deer.  Came home got into a pile of caribou...making a stalk I had 2 of 5 arrows with SOME (not all) feathers on the shaft.  It was beyond cold....plumb stupid weather to be hunting but we did it anyways.   I sat in the cab hand fletching with a tub of duco I had in my bag from the trip out east....the bou were gone by the time I got my act together.   never touched it since, and never will!

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