Help with 600-650 grain carbons

[Pettit877]

Hey guys I'm hoping you can help me with building some 600 plus arrows.  I'm hoping to shoot gold tip blems from big Jim.. I shooting two 60# recurves. I have been having troubles getting great arrow flight.

Eric

[Biathlonman]

Start with a 300 or 340 and hang about 300 on the front.  Trim until they are shooting good.

[Orion]

Need to know your draw length and bow weight at your draw length, but I'll take a guess.  Probably need to go with a 75-95s.  Agree, you'll need to put about 250-300 up front.  Easy to do.  Start with a 100 grain brass insert and 150, 175, 200 grain point, etc.

I like to start with my arrow cut to length, i.e., one inch beyond the back of the bow at full draw, and tune with point weight and side plate adjustments.

If you're drawing 60# at less than 28 inches, will probably be able to use 55-75s.

[Charlie3]

My setup last yr was 62@29 30 inch axis trad 340 w/ aluminum insert and 200 gr point. 640 grains.

This year same arrow, bow. Is roughly 57@29, using brass insert 1916 footing and need to increase point weight to about 230-250, because I'm showing nock right w/ 200s. Total weight will be over 700 easy.

I decided to strengthen business end of my arrow after having one break in a deer.

[damascusdave]

Do you have absolutely repeatable and correct form...if not the arrow flight issues are probably because of it...you can only buy good arrow flight once that is taken care of...and for good flight in that weight range I shoot Easton Full Metal Jackets

DDave

[Pettit877]

Thank you guys you pretty much confirmed my thoughts on how to build them.

I draw 27" and I feel as thou I have decent to good form. At my draw I am pulling 60# +- 2#

I am currently shooting GT 55-75 29" with 225 upfront.  Giving me a finished arrow of around 530gn.  I am looking for something heavier to quiet the bow a little more and hit harder when needed.

Eric

[Biathlonman]

For me I shoot a .400 and a .340 at the same length.  200 grains on the .400 and 300 grains on the .340.  For a cheap .340 shaft I'm really liking the ICS bow hunters.

[old_goat2]

Just for info sake, full length GT 75-95 Trad with seven inch wrap, five inch feathers and two hundred grains up front, I think it came in at 615-620gr. But that was a couple of years ago and you know how companies can't leave a good thing alone these days!

[Orion]

If you want to increase the up front weight another 100 plus grains, will likely need to go to 75-95s. May or may not need to shorten them.

[cacciatore]

You can cut the arrow you are corrently using of 1", this will require you some 100 grains more in front of your arrow that give you a total weight of 630.

[killinstuff]

You'll get a 600gr arrow with a Grizzly Stik Alaskan and a 200gr head and it will fly good out your 60lb bow.  That is if you want to spend $100 for 6 arrows. They priced themselves right out of what I'm willing to spend on arrows but I do like them.  If I ever shoot carbons again I'll fling G Stiks.

[Yewbender]

If you want heavy arrows without loading up the front with weight you could try some Douglas Fir shafts. They are Tough shafts and hitting your mark of 600 plus is not a problem. Their are many good companies that sell them and can help you out with selecting the correct shafts.

[newhouse114]

My Doug fir shafted arrows are right at 650 gr with a 160 gr glue on BH. Full length and 80 lb spine. My carbons run from 650 to 725 depending on point. Full length GT 7595

[TOEJAMMER]

Arrow Dynamics Hammer Head Trads, 55-70, (not the lights), aluminum insert, 200 grain points, 3 5.5 r/w feathers, cut 29.5.  Shoot out of my MAII 60# 27 inch draw.  Fly perfectly and weigh 625 grains

[96ssportsp]

Originally posted by Pettit877:
[qb] Thank you guys you pretty much confirmed my thoughts on how to build them.

I draw 27" and I feel as thou I have decent to good form. At my draw I am pulling 60# +- 2#

I am currently shooting GT 55-75 29" with 225 upfront.  Giving me a finished arrow of around 530gn.  I am looking for something heavier to quiet the bow a little more and hit harder when needed. "

Screw in some GT weights from the back and see where you get. I was shooting full length 5575s with 125 tips and weight up front for a total arrow of 708 grains out of my 63 @ 32 Raptor longbow. Good luck. Scott.

[Pettit877]

UPDATE


Well im still stumped, Finally got them to shoot great... heres the kicker...finished arrow weight of 475gns.

Had to change out he 100gn brass inserts to standard inserts. and finally kept dropping point weight till I hit 125gns and they finally started shooting great.

Any thoughts?  These are just to light of arrows for my bow.  the bow is much louder now.

Any other carbon recommendations? I am leaning towards Carbon express heritages... they seem to be a heavier arrow in lighter spines.

Eric

[BFreed59]

Take a look at black eagle arrows, I have had good luck with the carnivores and have heard good things about some of the other models as well, they have a good range of spines and weights to pick from. I have the carnivores in .250 spine full length with the 42 grain brass insert and a 20 grain weight behind it and a 1.5" aluminum footing and a 200 grain point. Total arrow weight is just over 600 grains.

[kevsuperg]

if youre happy with the current arrows and just looking for total arrow weight, why not add some weight tubes, easy to do.
 check three rivers site.

[Liquid Courage]

I posted this today on another thread, its from playing around with carbons (heritage, gold tips,beman), and aluminums in heavier spines on my two recurves, Hunter 60#@28" and a TD blacktail 55#@28":
I have bare shafted about 6 different brands/types of arrows out of both recurves and I have found the first thing is to build out your side plate, I use two bear side plates. Found that both bows like 2219's cut to 29.5" with 200 grain points. I have to chrono them one day as the 5# difference btwn the two bows is not at all noticeable in arrow speed/tragectory. Just thought I would pass on my arrow results, may help or it may not. Every bow is different.
Produces a 658 grain arrow. Fly wonderfully, hit hard.
These cut past center recurves take a stiff spined arrow from my experience.

[Liquid Courage]

Originally posted by Liquid Courage:
I posted this today on another thread, its from playing around with carbons (heritage, gold tips,beman), and aluminums in heavier spines on my two recurves, Hunter 60#@28" and a TD blacktail 55#@28":
I have bare shafted about 6 different brands/types of arrows out of both recurves and I have found the first thing is to build out your side plate, I use two bear side plates. Found that both bows like 2219's cut to 29.5" with 200 grain points. I have to chrono them one day as the 5# difference btwn the two bows is not at all noticeable in arrow speed/tragectory. Just thought I would pass on my arrow results, may help or it may not. Every bow is different.
Produces a 658 grain arrow. Fly wonderfully, hit hard.
These cut past center recurves take a stiff spined arrow from my experience.