Strap-On Bow Quiver don't really make bows blow up, or ...?

[jeff w]

The 3-4 bows I have had to fail over the last 20 years or so, have all broke at the fade-outs;   the same area where many strap-on quivers attach.   On 2 of the bows, I never used a bow quiver.    Although just my opinion, I would think the pressure a strap-on quiver exerts on a bow would not be great enough to cause failure.   On the other had, if the area under the straps retained moisture for prolonged periods, I could see it possibly effecting the bow's structural strength.  I still use a strap-on quiver, but do occasionaly take it off to clean my bow.

[Bud B.]

Originally posted by TaterHill Archer:
The problem is speaking in absolutes.  It is generally not a good idea.  Obviously, saying the quiver can never be an issue is incorrect.  To say, "it's rare." Is more correct.  I look at the pics of the Kanati and wonder if it could have been multifactoral. Was there an issue with the finish on that particular bow?  Did moisture collect under the straps and cause the problem?  Who knows.  Bottom line is, it appears the quiver played a part here.

No moisture. I can't speak for the bow's finish, but I have had no other issues with the finish. The rods on the quiver appear to be covered in a coating of plastic, but they have minimal cushioning effect, if any.

[Thumper Dunker]

Bows look goofy with quivers on them any way. That's a good reason to not have one.     OK just kidding . It might be the amount of light that the bow gets on the two parts that weaken that spot . light will affect those materials over time . One part might get stiffer or weaker. Just thinking.

[olddogrib]

There are several very reputable bowyers that will caution about getting quivers, especially the slide on type, out on the working portion of the limbs.,. that should be common sense, but might bear repeating for those new to trad.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Originally posted by 30coupe:
Okay, I guess I'll take exception to those who say strap-on quivers won't damage a bow or that they have to be left on for years to do damage.

When I first got my Kanati, I used a bow quiver with the rubber straps that lock over a small peg to tighten. I had it on for ONE season. When I took it off, I noticed a white area where the straps had been on both top and bottom limbs. It looked like this on both limbs:

 

 7 years later.....  

When I returned and picked up my bow, I saw this.

 

 

Did the bow quiver cause the damage? I'll let you be the judge.......

Hey Russ.... in can flat out guarantee that quiver had nothing to do with the bow failure.  I can tell you EXACTLY why it let go in that exact spot though, because the tip of the fades is where 90 percent of long bow limb failures occur, and a lot of recurves do too.

I've had the same strap on Sellway quiver on my long bow with the rubber over the peg for 5 years straight. i never take it off and rarely take the string off for that matter.... i couldn't even guess how may arrows have been through this rig. Maybe 100,000. This is my go to bow.

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Originally posted by Stixbowdrew:
We make a strap on quiver as well. But I can guarantee you that any one of our quivers no matter how long left on the bow, will not cause a limb to break. Buy and shoot with confidence no matter which quiver you decide to purchase.

I didn't realize you were a sponsor here Andrew. Welcome aboard.        ... You guys make great quivers. Are you still building them with the rubber strap? i like my Selway strap on a lot.

[Caughtandhobble]

Interesting thread... I have read on one bow builders website that he will void the warranty if a quiver was use on the limbs.

I keep one on my go-to longbow, I like the added weight.  

[30coupe]

Originally posted by Kirkll:


Hey Russ.... in can flat out guarantee that quiver had nothing to do with the bow failure.  I can tell you EXACTLY why it let go in that exact spot though, because the tip of the fades is where 90 percent of long bow limb failures occur, and a lot of recurves do too.

I've had the same strap on Sellway quiver on my long bow with the rubber over the peg for 5 years straight. i never take it off and rarely take the string off for that matter.... i couldn't even guess how may arrows have been through this rig. Maybe 100,000. This is my go to bow.

     

Kirk,

I understand that the fades are a weak area on all one piece bows, which also happens to be where 99 percent of bow quivers are attached. Mine was not a Selway. It was a Thunderhorn Boa. I wasn't intending to offend any particular brand by naming the quiver, but I have to say it was not a Selway. The attachment system is similar, but not identical.

I suppose it could be coincidence that the light areas showed up only after I had used the quiver, but I'm not going to use that attachment system again just to be on the safe side.

[Brock]

Those bows are failing there due to design or weak glue ups as that is where MOST of the stress is located in longbows and recurves.  It has nothing to do with the bow quivers...  I have used GN strap ons for 20 years and never had any issues.....no issues with fiberglass with wear spots or anything else.  I also dont strap mine down as tightly as it looks like some of you...but with the rubber straps just SNUGGED on the limbs I have also never had one come loose or make noise.

Purely coincidence in my opinion.

[PaulDeadringer29]

Quiver inserts and no worries.

[danshao]

Ha I didn't really expect a discussion like this but it's definitely become interesting.

I strap my quiver an inch or so before the fadeouts just to be safe so the pressure is virtually on the riser section. I'm very cautious of bow failures so I almost never buy 2nd hand.. now after reading this thread I'm starting to think maybe a totem is a good idea.

I do have to clarify that my efa strap on quiver, which is awesome btw, never has broken my bows    . In fact the straps don't require a whole lot of pressure to stay on the sloped section of my riser. But a totem is always a good idea.

[iohkus]

JMTC .......... I have never liked strap-on quivers simply because I don't like attaching them to my limbs (no other particular reason)But, do like the quick disconnect types like the GN, or ones that attach the risers.
  As a side, I wonder how long the old Bear snap-on quivers (with the spring arms) were manufactured before they were discontinued, and why they WERE discontinued?  

[Thumper Dunker]

Originally posted by Brock:
Those bows are failing there due to design or weak glue ups as that is where MOST of the stress is located in longbows and recurves.  It has nothing to do with the bow quivers...  I have used GN strap ons for 20 years and never had any issues.....no issues with fiberglass with wear spots or anything else.  I also dont strap mine down as tightly as it looks like some of you...but with the rubber straps just SNUGGED on the limbs I have also never had one come loose or make noise.


Purely coincidence in my opinion.

+2

[vintage archer]

A bow quiver should not be placed in the working part of the limbs.

By working part i am referring to the fade out area .That is the area where the riser and limb laminations are mated or joined together . More  of a problem on one piece bows than three piece bows however I would not strap a quiver on the wedge fadeouts of three piece limbs.

A good bowyer spends a lot of effort thinning the fade outs for a reason that is to eliminate a hinge area which causes stress .Straping a quiver on these areas   might ,could,would  cause unnecessary stress .    

Just my thoughts formulated from experience building bows.      

[2fletch]

In several conversations with chemist who work with rubber, I was told that there was no possibility of a chemical reaction between the rubber straps and the limbs. The only other possibility that I can imagine (other then placing the quiver out onto the working area of the limb)is that there may be moisture trapped under the strap from hunting in wet weather. Personally, I don't hunt in wet weather (wimp) but if I did I would take the quiver off and dry both of them off before replacing.

You can't blame bowyers for placing restrictions on what is allowed for their guarantee to be in effect. Heaven only knows what stories some of them must hear. I once sold a bow that I was shooting to someone who just had to have it. A month later he brought it back for a refund. The bowstring had cut 6" down from the tip through the laminates of fiberglass and wood. When I said "it looks like you had a dry fire." he swore that it happened at full draw. At full draw the string is not even trying to go in that direction.

[Archie]

I have a homemade strap-on system for a one piece quiver, and it only comes off the bow once or twice a year for a cleaning.  Been using it like this for many years, and no problems.