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Offline Kingstaken

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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2015, 04:17:00 PM »
We've had a lot of success with drives over the past years. Typically done the first or second Sun in Dec with anywhere from 8 to 12 bow hunters. Putting on a drive doesn't mean walking fast, noisy and thrashing thru the woods. We try to keep in sight of each other while pushing and kicking them up. We take our time pushing and set it up so the deer funnel towards the sitters who see us coming over the tops of the hills. We typically set up 5 or 6 drives so the last drive even the pushers know where to stop and lay low to get deer that circle back.
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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2015, 05:05:00 PM »
Being from PA, deer drives are natural. I've had deer come by just feet away. Play the wind and know their common trails and it can be deadly.

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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2015, 06:47:00 PM »
They work great. Pa guys do it religiously. Go to YouTube n look up leather wood outdoors. Trad hunters too. You won't be disappointed.
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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2015, 07:04:00 PM »
A friend of mine in PA does it every year with his buddies. They are successful. My concern would be shooting an arrow at an alerted deer. They will be alert since they were pushed. Not an ethical question at all with me.
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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2015, 07:25:00 PM »
I find most deer are distracted more than alerted
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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2015, 07:52:00 PM »
I love drives and have shot a bunch of deer while being a stander and a couple while being a driver. Mostly it was in the late season when we were just filling tags . I got in on some drives in the Bismarck area along the Missouri River where there would be as many as 60 hunters . That was wild. Most of our drives were one on one or just acouple of standers. After you drive a spot a couple of times you learn where the deer will run and they seem to go thru in the same places even year after year. To me it was a lot of fun with great anticipation!!!

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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #46 on: December 08, 2015, 09:15:00 AM »
 

This is what many gun drives look like in WI...especially at  this point .
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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #47 on: December 08, 2015, 08:38:00 PM »
Mike, I would love to do drives with you guys. Logistics would be an issue for me though.

I grew up doing deer drives. some guys start them on the first day of hunting season.

I agree they can be very effective and not damage hunting terribly if done correctly.
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Offline JD Page 1965

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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #48 on: December 09, 2015, 09:59:00 AM »
Driving deer is hunting? Not in my opinion. I guess for me its not the killing but the hunt itself. Indiana may not have the best deer management but they were ethical enough to outlaw deer drives. Yeah, I said ethical. Remember how everyone here is supposed to set the example and keep our way of life going? I am not hearing that here lately (few different issues). If your feelings got hurt you are that guy and you can cry to someone who cares, I dont.
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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #49 on: December 09, 2015, 11:05:00 AM »
Couldn't agree more JD.
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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #50 on: December 09, 2015, 12:29:00 PM »
Thanks BAK! You I would share a camp with.
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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #51 on: December 09, 2015, 12:48:00 PM »
"If your feelings got hurt you are that guy and you can cry to someone who cares, I dont."

I am surprised at the attitude of people who claim that deer drives are "not hunting" and "not ethical". Many of these same people, including several on this thread, sit in tree stands above a deer's line of sight and out of the way of most of their ability to use their nose. Baiting, feeders, trail cams are also used and talked about here and are not met with the same derision as drives.

Before horn porn existed as a huge industry, many of us grew up driving deer. It was a time-honored social activity. Then inches of antler became more important than meat or coming-of-age hunts and hunting lands got closed off to many who previously had access. Even access to hunt small game has been denied in many, if not most private properties where deer live.

All this so that the landowner or leaser could have less competition in possibly killing a big buck. So now we have fewer and fewer kids growing up hunting. We have less and less access to hunting ground. We have new-age deer philosophers denigrating those who enjoyed the deer drives of old because it doesn't fit their myopic and selfish view of what deer hunting SHOULD be.

If you are one of the ones who gladly gain advantage by sitting in a tree, using bait, using cover scents, using attractant scents, using trail cams, using ghillie suits, etc., you may want to re-examine your thoughts on the subject.

If "hunting" is the criteria for determining ethical deer killing, then what exactly is sitting in an elevated stand at the best time according to a trail cam, overlooking bait, wearing camo and cover scent? I guess timed ambushes are way more ethical than trying to push deer with a stick and string in hand.

It seems as if today's average deer hunter is more concerned with being able to control the most variables to gain advantage over the deer. If those of you putting drives down had a clue about their efficacy, you may change you tune. I grew up driving deer in one of the top trophy counties in the entire country. We saw many huge bucks during the year. We killed very few. My father, brother, cousin and a few friends have killed more big bucks as well, as does, sitting quietly in stands and blinds than we ever killed on drives.

Finally, I've been on quite a few deer drives while hunting with other trad guys. As others above have said, it is a slow, quiet, soft push. It can be fun and even works sometimes - most often it doesn't. I personally don't care how anyone else chooses to kill a deer. They are meat on the hoof and are a renewable resource.

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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #52 on: December 09, 2015, 01:35:00 PM »
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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #53 on: December 09, 2015, 01:38:00 PM »
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Driving deer is hunting? Not in my opinion. I guess for me its not the killing but the hunt itself. Indiana may not have the best deer management but they were ethical enough to outlaw deer drives. Yeah, I said ethical. Remember how everyone here is supposed to set the example and keep our way of life going? I am not hearing that here lately (few different issues). If your feelings got hurt you are that guy and you can cry to someone who cares, I dont.
Whether you think deer drives are A)hunting or B)ethical is irrelevant. This is a topic where I asked about help setting up a drive. Not a stump for you to stand on and shout out your superior view of hunting ethics. If you have nothing to add to the discussion please don't.

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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2015, 02:07:00 PM »
Jake what is apparent is ethics are fast becoming irrelevant everywhere and if I see something on here I will speak up. Do yourself a favor, don't attempt to school me on free speech again. This is Tradgang not Jakegang I am a combat Vet who has paid the price for free speech and I do not need a stump to stand on to exercise it. You have a great day!
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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #55 on: December 09, 2015, 03:17:00 PM »
JD- I am not asking you to give up free speech. What I am asking I that you not be rude. I asked for technical help on a deer drive. I am getting good info and I really appreciate it. I would prefer this thread not get hijacked into an ethics debate. If you want to say deer drives are unethical then you have every right. Why not just start a whole new thread titled "deer drives are unethical" or "trad bow hunters that drive deer have no ethics" or whatever. You'll hear no wailing or crying from me. Heck I wouldn't even post on it! All I am asking is that you show me the same curtesy I would show you and not hijack your threads.

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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #56 on: December 09, 2015, 04:02:00 PM »
No hijack intended. I am bailing out of this one! Take care and Merry Christmas..
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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #57 on: December 09, 2015, 04:06:00 PM »
Thanks for the subject Jake.  Drives are fun, social method of hunting, similar to pheasant hunting with dogs. Also you will learn a lot about how deer move through an area by driving.  That said, we treat drives more as coordinated still hunts towards people in stand. Generally the drivers get shots by still hunting up on deer that are unaware they are there. When bumped, the deer will run a short distance and then travel at their normal pace.

If you are hunting woodlots surrounded by cropland you need to have your standers right were they leave or enter the woodlot as the deer will often stop and look around when at those spots.  When you move to the next woodlot, leave someone in the one just driven because the deer will often circle back. I think it is hard to drive a whitetail from his home range as he will have the same issues with people where ever he goes (in Michigan anyway). They just learn how to avoid contact with you, which is a risk you take every time you go in the woods.  Varying your activities help disrupt their patterning of you.
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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #58 on: December 09, 2015, 04:42:00 PM »
I participated in many deer drives during the WI. gun season. But, when we drove during the archery season, the only deer to shoot at were really hauling butt. Some quite close, but tough, ill advised shot's.

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Re: Deer drives
« Reply #59 on: December 09, 2015, 06:21:00 PM »
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"If your feelings got hurt you are that guy and you can cry to someone who cares, I dont."

I am surprised at the attitude of people who claim that deer drives are "not hunting" and "not ethical". Many of these same people, including several on this thread, sit in tree stands above a deer's line of sight and out of the way of most of their ability to use their nose. Baiting, feeders, trail cams are also used and talked about here and are not met with the same derision as drives.

Before horn porn existed as a huge industry, many of us grew up driving deer. It was a time-honored social activity. Then inches of antler became more important than meat or coming-of-age hunts and hunting lands got closed off to many who previously had access. Even access to hunt small game has been denied in many, if not most private properties where deer live.

All this so that the landowner or leaser could have less competition in possibly killing a big buck. So now we have fewer and fewer kids growing up hunting. We have less and less access to hunting ground. We have new-age deer philosophers denigrating those who enjoyed the deer drives of old because it doesn't fit their myopic and selfish view of what deer hunting SHOULD be.

If you are one of the ones who gladly gain advantage by sitting in a tree, using bait, using cover scents, using attractant scents, using trail cams, using ghillie suits, etc., you may want to re-examine your thoughts on the subject.

If "hunting" is the criteria for determining ethical deer killing, then what exactly is sitting in an elevated stand at the best time according to a trail cam, overlooking bait, wearing camo and cover scent? I guess timed ambushes are way more ethical than trying to push deer with a stick and string in hand.

It seems as if today's average deer hunter is more concerned with being able to control the most variables to gain advantage over the deer. If those of you putting drives down had a clue about their efficacy, you may change you tune. I grew up driving deer in one of the top trophy counties in the entire country. We saw many huge bucks during the year. We killed very few. My father, brother, cousin and a few friends have killed more big bucks as well, as does, sitting quietly in stands and blinds than we ever killed on drives.

Finally, I've been on quite a few deer drives while hunting with other trad guys. As others above have said, it is a slow, quiet, soft push. It can be fun and even works sometimes - most often it doesn't. I personally don't care how anyone else chooses to kill a deer. They are meat on the hoof and are a renewable resource.
Hackbow, would you mind if I gave Donald Trump your contact info? He could use some help delivering his sound thoughts. What you've laid out in your post would be hard for me to improve upon.

    If a man is against driving and is quick to spout off about higher than normal ethics, you won't change his mind. The hardest thing in this world that Ive found is to change a grown mans mind.

    But alas, that is not the topic of this thread. The topic was a query as to effective tactics for driving deer. I think you already got some great Advice Jake, slow and with meaning and knowledge of your territory and the specific deer that reside upon it. My only concern is that the fellas on my drive have the restraint to only take high percentage shots at calm deer. Yes, with the right techniques some deer that are driven will be calm and probably feeding as much as watching their backtrails. Its not close to being a  gimme and will in most instances be less effective than tree stand hunting. But still, a man should know more than one way to kill a deer or anything else for that matter. Im a predator before Im a method hunter. I like to "Hunt" things be it by running them down, ambushing them or luring them to me. I guess I haven't been "blessed" by civilization  enough that I will neglect all methods but one to be a hunter. Deer driving is just another way to enjoy the hunt for me.

      As far as ethics involved? Well, I like to exhibit and act upon my own set of ethics and will be damned if someone will tell me whats right for me or not. We still have a democracy here at the present time and Im glad that we all can still choose how we plan to live this American dream, regardless if we do deer drives or not.

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