Trad Gang is not Popular Mechanics - UPDATE page 30

[Mojostick]

To be honest, I had interest in switching to trad gear a few years before I actually did. The reason I didn't was because I was totally clueless on where to start.

It wasn't until I learned of a nearby trad shop, (I'm very lucky to have one) that I finally made the jump because they could answer my very basic starter questions and got me all set up properly.

I didn't have any "hunting" questions for the guys at the trad bow shop. All my "trad questions" are still tech based. My new one is, I have some Grizzly Stik Sitka's that I can shoot with 100gr points. The bare shaft great with 100grs. My question is, if I want to shoot my 150gr stingers, how much would I likely have to cut off? 1/2"? A full 1"? On stuff like that, I need to ask. But I'm only asking because I want perfect arrow flight for hunting purposes and for accurate and enjoyable target practice on my backyard 3D course.
I don't consider that to be a bad question.

[Killdeer]

mojostick makes some really good points with his "devil's advocacy". I also found myself nodding in agreement with NDTerminator. All this talk is good, but what do we do to get the forum back to its organic roots? Do we start yet another "tooltech forum" and shift techie subjects that way? Do I hear someone pulling out yet more rapidly thinning hair?

I agree that the old timers need to take more of an active role in funneling folks to the Search function. I also admit that as I have said many times before, technical posts full of numbers make my brain glaze over, so I am not likely to read them in the first place, nor know what has been posted in that vein in the second.

You will never see me in favor of stifling the learning and research that accompanies the many stages of our pursuit of all facets of bowhunting. Reiteration, however, is boring us silly. Maybe a lot of this stuff could go to the How-to forum, like spine charts, FOC formulae and how to set up a bow, that kinda stuff, and we could just refer folks there.

Hmm. Like my post, a lot of this is hazy and bleeds into many different areas, and organization is NOT my forte. Terry, I wish I could come up with a solution, but I can't even figure out how to organize pictures on my computer.

I hope that there will always be a fire here, available stumps and a cup of coffee for a bowhunter coming in from a cold day afield.

Killdeer

[Labwagn]

One of the best posts I have ever read on this needlessly-delicate subject matter. Very well articulated.

[George D. Stout]

What was the original question?    

[GangStarr]

times are changing right before your eyes!!

 i love how everybody is apologizing to Terry like he's our dad.

tradgang is our place to talk traditional archery nomatter how tech the talk gets.
maybe we should have the bowyers stop building bow with foam and carbon limbs,and go back to building just D shape longbows and thats it,
 stop the making of carbon arrows and goback to selling wood..
maybe take everybody's bows away and give them selfbows and wood arrows!!
i myself love archery nomatter what the bow is..
 i only shoot traditional but have lots of friends that shoot compounds  and not only hunting compounds! guyz that shoot open class bows the ones with the 3foot stabilizers and the moveable sights. i enjoy talking shop with them and its cool to see their faces when i know about thier bows as well as mine.
   "I LOVE IT"
i love archery!! i love it so much it drives me crazy some times! just ask my girlfriend.
i shoot my bow every day!
i work on my form every day!
i bareshaft and grain match every arrow i build for every bow i have to get the peek performance from that bow as well as myself.
i have 9 bows and every one is setup perfect  with matching bareshafted arrows
I'm a tinkerer and i love it so who cares if guys talk tech stuff.

So what i'm saying is guys will be guys nomatter what kind of bow you give them!!

welcome to the future!!!!!!!!!

"you can please the people some of the time but" you can't please all the people all the time!!

[Altiman94]

I understand what you are saying and what you mean Terry, however I don't agree with you fully.  As long as the threads are trad related, who cares if we are asking on opinions of equipment?  I don't think there is such a thing as a "compound" mentality.  There are many compound hunters who hunt just the same as trad bow archers.  Eventually this site is going to get too narrow and we want to keep the broadness and ability to share opinions.   After all, it is a free membership site.

[IB]

Originally posted by GangStarr:
times are changing right before your eyes!!

 i love how everybody is apologizing to Terry like he's our dad.

tradgang is   "our place"  to talk traditional archery nomatter how tech the talk gets.


"you can please the people some of the time but" you can't please all the people all the time!!

MR, Gangstarr..........May I respectfully remind you.......You are ALLOWED access to this site ( not a   RIGHT  but a   PRIVILEGED  through the generosity of Mr Green. HE DOES IN FACT OWN THE HOUSE........So I guess he can have the title of DAD!!!!!!!!

[DVSHUNTER]

"2. To create a friendly atmosphere to ALL. Dedicated to the discussion of ALL topics that relate to traditional bowhunting."

Do what you like, it's your site. As far as I can see, the writing is on the wall.

[George D. Stout]

Well I'm sure there is a fine line, and Terry and his gang must figure out how we are to abide in and around that line.

I find it ironic that we can separate traditional archery from traditional bowhunting....to me they are one in the same.  I know the figures numbers maniacs drive me crazy at times, but alas I'm an old man, in a young man's world.  I must learn to adapt 8^).

My bringing-up in archery revolved around field archery, just like the NFAA set it up in 1942 to be a hunting training program, no less.  So I still still see that as pertinent to what we discuss.  I can be a traditional archer without being a bowhunter, but I don't think I can be a traditional bowhunter without being a traditional archer.  8^).  Just sayin'.  

We will live with whatever is decided....easy enough.

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by Mojostick:
 All my "trad questions" are still tech based. My new one is, I have some Grizzly Stik Sitka's that I can shoot with 100gr points. The bare shaft great with 100grs. My question is, if I want to shoot my 150gr stingers, how much would I likely have to cut off? 1/2"? A full 1"? On stuff like that, I need to ask. But I'm only asking because I want perfect arrow flight for hunting purposes and for accurate and enjoyable target practice on my backyard 3D course.
I don't consider that to be a bad question.

Here is an example of folks missing my point...and the post mojostik made in his 1st post about arrow flight. I'm not picking on mojo at all...just trying to make my point yet again.

The above quote and arrow flight are not 'hi-tech'....those are the basics.

I really don't know what else to say or how else to say it to get my point across to those that don't get it.

I have enjoyed the posts though....

[Mojostick]

Terry,

I still must be somewhat missing the point a bit.
I would consider my above question a "tech" question.

Can you maybe give better example of what type of posts would you like to see more of?

On the self improvement stuff, I assume you mean things like form? I'm not sure asking that would do me much good. I know if I cant the bow too much, I twist the string because my hand is at a different angle than the bow and if I don't focus on my draw arm, my elbow will point to the sky instead of being more in line with the arrow.

But those are "my" promblems that I think only I can solve.

Maybe I'm not opening the threads you speak of, so in a sense I'm not 100% sure of what changes you'd like to see.

[Mike Gerardi]

Originally posted by GangStarr:
[QB] times are changing right before your eyes!!

 i love how everybody is apologizing to Terry like he's our dad.

tradgang is our place to talk traditional archery nomatter how tech the talk gets.


Wow! Maybe Terry should start charging admission!

[artifaker1]

We still love you Terry. I am  vastly superior archer than I was when I entered this site, and I owe it all to Trad Gang mainly. Maybe we need a tech forum to clean out PowWow a little.
Now I'm going out to shoot.... a bow that is.

[Terry Green]

Arrow K9.....nah....we just weed the garden.

No one like gangstarr is going to tell me to 'welcome to my future' or demand they are going to cram anything down my throat in my own house and be welcome back.  This is part of the mentality I'm talking about....now more folks might be getting my point.

[Mike Gerardi]

   

[joevan125]

Im with George sometimes all these numbers do nothing but confuse me and in the end its mostly about form and good practice.

Arrow k9 not sure what you meant about charging admission, was that a direct stab at Terry.

[ishoot4thrills]

Ah yes, Terry......I AM beginning to see what you're talking about now. I think I was misunderstanding YOU at first and maybe responding to everyone else posts' instead of yours. My bad.

[Terry Green]

No Joe....he was not directing anything at me.

[Mike Gerardi]

Originally posted by joevan125:
Im with George sometimes all these numbers do nothing but confuse me and in the end its mostly about form and good practice.

Arrow k9 not sure what you meant about charging admission, was that a direct stab at Terry.

No. It was a stab at gangstarr!

[ottertails]

K.I.S.S......anybody remember? It's the Traditional Bowhunters motto, or used to be.

Keep-It-Simple-Stupid!!!

Thanks Terry